[Uw-ruby] Uw-ruby Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3

[Mark Holton]

Likewise, I agree with all... I want to to work on a Rails project of my own
-- specifically building off of work in this class using Ruby classes in the
Model.  Understand the group dynamic idea, but in this Extension course, we
each have separate technical goals we wish to explore and pursue while
learning the fundamentals.  Would appreciate the opportunity to explore and
expand on an individual project.
Can't wait for the next 2 courses-


On Dec 2, 2007 4:39 PM, Feng Tien <feng.tien at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with everyone else, I'd rather go solo and not be dependent on
> teammates. Would it be possible to have 2 choices for projects? One for
> people that want to work alone and another for people that want to work in
> a
> group? Ideally, I'd prefer to work on one of my own projects of my
> choosing.
>
> Feng
>
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>   1. More debugging in the "soup" (Steve Dame)
>   2. Re: UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects (Jim Clark)
>   3. Re: UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects (Dan McHarness)
>   4. Re: UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects (Ryan Ward)
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> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:22:41 -0800
> From: Jim Clark <diegoslice at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects
> To: UW's Ruby Certificate Program <uw-ruby at zenspider.com>
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> I'll second some of Richard's thoughts. It's hard enough for me to get
> to class some nights as I live in Lake Stevens and usually leave around
> 4 p.m. to make sure I'm down there on time. Having group meetings on
> other nights or other group project management discussions isn't
> something I'm excited about. I want my focus to be Ruby, not group
> dynamics.
>
> Another point I'll raise has to do with the project that I want to work
> on. Since my only laptop is owned by my employer, there are certain
> guidelines as to what uses are acceptable under company policy. Hence,
> sticking to a work related rails site really fits the bill and I can get
> paid for the time I spend coding which is a nice plus. Opening my
> project to a group implementation would never get corporate approval if
> I need to distribute the supporting data.
>
> Regardless of format, I am taking the class and I am paying out of my
> own pocket because I know I will learn a lot and that is what is most
> important. Being excited about applying what I learn on a custom project
> that continues to grow and build momentum makes my efforts more
> meaningful than trying to do the minimum necessary to be able to submit
> some one time code and dump homework project (or a group project that I
> am not fully invested in). My time is already heavily divided between a
> full time job, my family (3 & 5 year old kids), etc. and I want to make
> the most out of the time and money I invest in this certificate program.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Clark
>
> Richard Leickly wrote:
> >
> > Philip was nice enough to send out his syllabus for the Rails class
> > this winter.  It is unlikely that I would enroll in it based on what I
> > can tell about the format.  The reason is that I am very pessimistic
> > about group projects.  I think a lot can be gained from working
> > together, so I'm not opposed to sharing ideas. But if the groups that
> > Philip has in mind will need to meet outside of class, then I'm not
> > going to be able to do it.  And if there is going to be a division of
> > labor within the groups, then we are faced with the obvious problem of
> > attrition.  What will the group do if someone drops the class?  I've
> > been taking UW Extension courses for 3 years, and there is always
> > attrition.  My other qualms are based on my personal experiences in
> > college. The only good group academic experience I ever had was when I
> > was teamed up with a guy who was extremely motivated (as was I).  All
> > other experiences involved colleagues not showing up, not doing
> > anything, preferring to talk about other things, ...well... you know
> > how it goes. I don't know how generalizable my experiences are.
> >
> > I may be jumping the gun a bit here because of the lack of details
> > about what Philip has in mind. (I have not rec'd replies to my emails
> > to him yet.)  But if many of you feel the same way as me then it would
> > be good now to get these ideas out in the open. And if you don't feel
> > that way , then I could use some encouraging words about why I should
> > worry. Philip may very well have considered these issues and come up
> > with a workable structure.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard Leickly
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:29:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan McHarness <dmcharness at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects
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> I see your points and have experienced myself in a
> school setting some of what you've noted. However, I
> don't think this has to be an automatic train wreck.
>
> I think everyone should be required to deliver their
> own, complete work for grading. However, I think it'd
> be pretty cool to also see projects comprised of the
> best components taken from individual work.
>
> Not everyone will be equally experienced in every
> layer of what makes up the rails software stack, so I
> could envision time taken during a class session for a
> group to figure out what piece from individual work to
> incorporate into the group app.
>
> No doubt, playing nice with others to get work done
> will take more time, but who knows - maybe I'll get
> teamed up with a ui presentation pro (hint, hint)!
>
> Dan
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:01:40 -0800
> From: "Richard Leickly" <Richard at iphc.washington.edu>
> Subject: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on
> group projects
> To: <Uw-ruby at zenspider.com>
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> Philip was nice enough to send out his syllabus for
> the Rails class
>  this
> winter.  It is unlikely that I would enroll in it
> based on what I can
> tell about the format.  The reason is that I am very
> pessimistic about
> group projects.  I think a lot can be gained from
> working together, so
> I'm not opposed to sharing ideas. But if the groups
> that Philip has in
> mind will need to meet outside of class, then I'm not
> going to be able
> to do it.  And if there is going to be a division of
> labor within the
> groups, then we are faced with the obvious problem of
> attrition.  What
> will the group do if someone drops the class?  I've
> been taking UW
> Extension courses for 3 years, and there is always
> attrition.  My other
> qualms are based on my personal experiences in
> college. The only good
> group academic experience I ever had was when I was
> teamed up with a
>  guy
> who was extremely motivated (as was I).  All other
> experiences involved
> colleagues not showing up, not doing anything,
> preferring to talk about
> other things, ...well... you know how it goes. I don't
> know how
> generalizable my experiences are.
>
> I may be jumping the gun a bit here because of the
> lack of details
>  about
> what Philip has in mind. (I have not rec'd replies to
> my emails to him
> yet.)  But if many of you feel the same way as me then
> it would be good
> now to get these ideas out in the open. And if you
> don't feel that way
>  ,
> then I could use some encouraging words about why I
> should worry.
>  Philip
> may very well have considered these issues and come up
> with a workable
> structure.
>
> Regards,
> Richard Leickly
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:56:25 -0800
> From: Ryan Ward <ryan at gen-x.com>
> Subject: Re: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects
> To: jimclark at ieee.org,  UW's Ruby Certificate Program
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> Question for everyone. This is my first UW extension class. Are these
> classes usually this busy with homework? I particularly have been
> finding it to be a lot of time invested for one class, especially like
> many of you, a working professional and have a family. I am working
> the problems just about every day , zipping out after dinner to study
> for 3 hrs, and still not getting done in time. The wife has been quite
> supportive, but she starting to feel a bit crispy covering for my home
> responsibility.
>
> Some thoughts regarding the Rails class. Maybe it would be helpful to
> see the goals and then match the requirements of those goals to the
> syllabus. I would rather see these kinds of classes more focused on
> the technologies rather than learning to be better developers or
> learning a methodology such as TDD. ;)
>
> The good thing is that we are all Guinea Pigs, and seems pretty decent
> for a first run at the program. I am coming at this from more of a
> hobbyist POV. Not a developer by any means, its actually been years
> since I did any coding.
>
> -Ryan
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2007, at 12:22 AM, Jim Clark wrote:
>
> > I'll second some of Richard's thoughts. It's hard enough for me to get
> > to class some nights as I live in Lake Stevens and usually leave
> > around
> > 4 p.m. to make sure I'm down there on time. Having group meetings on
> > other nights or other group project management discussions isn't
> > something I'm excited about. I want my focus to be Ruby, not group
> > dynamics.
> >
> > Another point I'll raise has to do with the project that I want to
> > work
> > on. Since my only laptop is owned by my employer, there are certain
> > guidelines as to what uses are acceptable under company policy. Hence,
> > sticking to a work related rails site really fits the bill and I can
> > get
> > paid for the time I spend coding which is a nice plus. Opening my
> > project to a group implementation would never get corporate approval
> > if
> > I need to distribute the supporting data.
> >
> > Regardless of format, I am taking the class and I am paying out of my
> > own pocket because I know I will learn a lot and that is what is most
> > important. Being excited about applying what I learn on a custom
> > project
> > that continues to grow and build momentum makes my efforts more
> > meaningful than trying to do the minimum necessary to be able to
> > submit
> > some one time code and dump homework project (or a group project
> > that I
> > am not fully invested in). My time is already heavily divided
> > between a
> > full time job, my family (3 & 5 year old kids), etc. and I want to
> > make
> > the most out of the time and money I invest in this certificate
> > program.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jim Clark
> >
> > Richard Leickly wrote:
> >>
> >> Philip was nice enough to send out his syllabus for the Rails class
> >> this winter.  It is unlikely that I would enroll in it based on
> >> what I
> >> can tell about the format.  The reason is that I am very pessimistic
> >> about group projects.  I think a lot can be gained from working
> >> together, so I'm not opposed to sharing ideas. But if the groups that
> >> Philip has in mind will need to meet outside of class, then I'm not
> >> going to be able to do it.  And if there is going to be a division of
> >> labor within the groups, then we are faced with the obvious problem
> >> of
> >> attrition.  What will the group do if someone drops the class?  I've
> >> been taking UW Extension courses for 3 years, and there is always
> >> attrition.  My other qualms are based on my personal experiences in
> >> college. The only good group academic experience I ever had was
> >> when I
> >> was teamed up with a guy who was extremely motivated (as was I).  All
> >> other experiences involved colleagues not showing up, not doing
> >> anything, preferring to talk about other things, ...well... you know
> >> how it goes. I don't know how generalizable my experiences are.
> >>
> >> I may be jumping the gun a bit here because of the lack of details
> >> about what Philip has in mind. (I have not rec'd replies to my emails
> >> to him yet.)  But if many of you feel the same way as me then it
> >> would
> >> be good now to get these ideas out in the open. And if you don't feel
> >> that way , then I could use some encouraging words about why I should
> >> worry. Philip may very well have considered these issues and come up
> >> with a workable structure.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Richard Leickly
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
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