[Uw-ruby] Uw-ruby Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3
Feng Tien
feng.tien at gmail.com
Sun Dec 2 16:39:30 PST 2007
I agree with everyone else, I'd rather go solo and not be dependent on
teammates. Would it be possible to have 2 choices for projects? One for
people that want to work alone and another for people that want to work in a
group? Ideally, I'd prefer to work on one of my own projects of my choosing.
Feng
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1. More debugging in the "soup" (Steve Dame)
2. Re: UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects (Jim Clark)
3. Re: UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects (Dan McHarness)
4. Re: UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects (Ryan Ward)
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Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:22:41 -0800
From: Jim Clark <diegoslice at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects
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I'll second some of Richard's thoughts. It's hard enough for me to get
to class some nights as I live in Lake Stevens and usually leave around
4 p.m. to make sure I'm down there on time. Having group meetings on
other nights or other group project management discussions isn't
something I'm excited about. I want my focus to be Ruby, not group dynamics.
Another point I'll raise has to do with the project that I want to work
on. Since my only laptop is owned by my employer, there are certain
guidelines as to what uses are acceptable under company policy. Hence,
sticking to a work related rails site really fits the bill and I can get
paid for the time I spend coding which is a nice plus. Opening my
project to a group implementation would never get corporate approval if
I need to distribute the supporting data.
Regardless of format, I am taking the class and I am paying out of my
own pocket because I know I will learn a lot and that is what is most
important. Being excited about applying what I learn on a custom project
that continues to grow and build momentum makes my efforts more
meaningful than trying to do the minimum necessary to be able to submit
some one time code and dump homework project (or a group project that I
am not fully invested in). My time is already heavily divided between a
full time job, my family (3 & 5 year old kids), etc. and I want to make
the most out of the time and money I invest in this certificate program.
Cheers,
Jim Clark
Richard Leickly wrote:
>
> Philip was nice enough to send out his syllabus for the Rails class
> this winter. It is unlikely that I would enroll in it based on what I
> can tell about the format. The reason is that I am very pessimistic
> about group projects. I think a lot can be gained from working
> together, so I'm not opposed to sharing ideas. But if the groups that
> Philip has in mind will need to meet outside of class, then I'm not
> going to be able to do it. And if there is going to be a division of
> labor within the groups, then we are faced with the obvious problem of
> attrition. What will the group do if someone drops the class? I've
> been taking UW Extension courses for 3 years, and there is always
> attrition. My other qualms are based on my personal experiences in
> college. The only good group academic experience I ever had was when I
> was teamed up with a guy who was extremely motivated (as was I). All
> other experiences involved colleagues not showing up, not doing
> anything, preferring to talk about other things, ...well... you know
> how it goes. I don't know how generalizable my experiences are.
>
> I may be jumping the gun a bit here because of the lack of details
> about what Philip has in mind. (I have not rec'd replies to my emails
> to him yet.) But if many of you feel the same way as me then it would
> be good now to get these ideas out in the open. And if you don't feel
> that way , then I could use some encouraging words about why I should
> worry. Philip may very well have considered these issues and come up
> with a workable structure.
>
> Regards,
> Richard Leickly
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:29:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan McHarness <dmcharness at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects
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I see your points and have experienced myself in a
school setting some of what you've noted. However, I
don't think this has to be an automatic train wreck.
I think everyone should be required to deliver their
own, complete work for grading. However, I think it'd
be pretty cool to also see projects comprised of the
best components taken from individual work.
Not everyone will be equally experienced in every
layer of what makes up the rails software stack, so I
could envision time taken during a class session for a
group to figure out what piece from individual work to
incorporate into the group app.
No doubt, playing nice with others to get work done
will take more time, but who knows - maybe I'll get
teamed up with a ui presentation pro (hint, hint)!
Dan
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:01:40 -0800
From: "Richard Leickly" <Richard at iphc.washington.edu>
Subject: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on
group projects
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Philip was nice enough to send out his syllabus for
the Rails class
this
winter. It is unlikely that I would enroll in it
based on what I can
tell about the format. The reason is that I am very
pessimistic about
group projects. I think a lot can be gained from
working together, so
I'm not opposed to sharing ideas. But if the groups
that Philip has in
mind will need to meet outside of class, then I'm not
going to be able
to do it. And if there is going to be a division of
labor within the
groups, then we are faced with the obvious problem of
attrition. What
will the group do if someone drops the class? I've
been taking UW
Extension courses for 3 years, and there is always
attrition. My other
qualms are based on my personal experiences in
college. The only good
group academic experience I ever had was when I was
teamed up with a
guy
who was extremely motivated (as was I). All other
experiences involved
colleagues not showing up, not doing anything,
preferring to talk about
other things, ...well... you know how it goes. I don't
know how
generalizable my experiences are.
I may be jumping the gun a bit here because of the
lack of details
about
what Philip has in mind. (I have not rec'd replies to
my emails to him
yet.) But if many of you feel the same way as me then
it would be good
now to get these ideas out in the open. And if you
don't feel that way
,
then I could use some encouraging words about why I
should worry.
Philip
may very well have considered these issues and come up
with a workable
structure.
Regards,
Richard Leickly
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:56:25 -0800
From: Ryan Ward <ryan at gen-x.com>
Subject: Re: [Uw-ruby] UW Ext Rails Course: Opinion on group projects
To: jimclark at ieee.org, UW's Ruby Certificate Program
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Question for everyone. This is my first UW extension class. Are these
classes usually this busy with homework? I particularly have been
finding it to be a lot of time invested for one class, especially like
many of you, a working professional and have a family. I am working
the problems just about every day , zipping out after dinner to study
for 3 hrs, and still not getting done in time. The wife has been quite
supportive, but she starting to feel a bit crispy covering for my home
responsibility.
Some thoughts regarding the Rails class. Maybe it would be helpful to
see the goals and then match the requirements of those goals to the
syllabus. I would rather see these kinds of classes more focused on
the technologies rather than learning to be better developers or
learning a methodology such as TDD. ;)
The good thing is that we are all Guinea Pigs, and seems pretty decent
for a first run at the program. I am coming at this from more of a
hobbyist POV. Not a developer by any means, its actually been years
since I did any coding.
-Ryan
On Dec 2, 2007, at 12:22 AM, Jim Clark wrote:
> I'll second some of Richard's thoughts. It's hard enough for me to get
> to class some nights as I live in Lake Stevens and usually leave
> around
> 4 p.m. to make sure I'm down there on time. Having group meetings on
> other nights or other group project management discussions isn't
> something I'm excited about. I want my focus to be Ruby, not group
> dynamics.
>
> Another point I'll raise has to do with the project that I want to
> work
> on. Since my only laptop is owned by my employer, there are certain
> guidelines as to what uses are acceptable under company policy. Hence,
> sticking to a work related rails site really fits the bill and I can
> get
> paid for the time I spend coding which is a nice plus. Opening my
> project to a group implementation would never get corporate approval
> if
> I need to distribute the supporting data.
>
> Regardless of format, I am taking the class and I am paying out of my
> own pocket because I know I will learn a lot and that is what is most
> important. Being excited about applying what I learn on a custom
> project
> that continues to grow and build momentum makes my efforts more
> meaningful than trying to do the minimum necessary to be able to
> submit
> some one time code and dump homework project (or a group project
> that I
> am not fully invested in). My time is already heavily divided
> between a
> full time job, my family (3 & 5 year old kids), etc. and I want to
> make
> the most out of the time and money I invest in this certificate
> program.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Clark
>
> Richard Leickly wrote:
>>
>> Philip was nice enough to send out his syllabus for the Rails class
>> this winter. It is unlikely that I would enroll in it based on
>> what I
>> can tell about the format. The reason is that I am very pessimistic
>> about group projects. I think a lot can be gained from working
>> together, so I'm not opposed to sharing ideas. But if the groups that
>> Philip has in mind will need to meet outside of class, then I'm not
>> going to be able to do it. And if there is going to be a division of
>> labor within the groups, then we are faced with the obvious problem
>> of
>> attrition. What will the group do if someone drops the class? I've
>> been taking UW Extension courses for 3 years, and there is always
>> attrition. My other qualms are based on my personal experiences in
>> college. The only good group academic experience I ever had was
>> when I
>> was teamed up with a guy who was extremely motivated (as was I). All
>> other experiences involved colleagues not showing up, not doing
>> anything, preferring to talk about other things, ...well... you know
>> how it goes. I don't know how generalizable my experiences are.
>>
>> I may be jumping the gun a bit here because of the lack of details
>> about what Philip has in mind. (I have not rec'd replies to my emails
>> to him yet.) But if many of you feel the same way as me then it
>> would
>> be good now to get these ideas out in the open. And if you don't feel
>> that way , then I could use some encouraging words about why I should
>> worry. Philip may very well have considered these issues and come up
>> with a workable structure.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard Leickly
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Uw-ruby mailing list
>> Uw-ruby at zenspider.com
>> http://www.zenspider.com/mailman/listinfo/uw-ruby
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