[Ruby] memcached-like Ruby+Erlang implementation
shane becker
veganstraightedge at gmail.com
Tue May 22 11:00:06 PDT 2007
> I wasn't at RailsConf so I have no idea what you're talking about
> (I probably don't want to know). I'm surprised that the gender
> balance was good, I heard it was the usual single digit percentage
> of women.
i certainly didn't mean that it was _good_, just that it was better
than all confs i've been too except sxsw.
> But then my view is skewed because I can't go to a technology
> related event without altering the gender balance by 20-infinity%.
i know one of the women in devchix said that this was better than
rubyconf. at least at this one she didn't have time to meet them all.
again far from great, but at least a little better. another thing
that was said by the devchix women was that anytime they're talking
with men about this kind of thing they ask them to imagine it
reversed. what if you [the man they're speaking to] were at a table
with 12 women and no men? what if someone made a website posting
pictures of as a minority participant in some larger group? what if
you had to constantly prove your mettle, your technical ability, your
general nerdiness? and so on. their discussion was really great.
> I'm glad that there's enthusiasm for improving the gender balance
> here and in tech in general. If you want to get women's point of
> view on that, this document is a good start:
> http://infohost.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html
thanks. i'll give it a read.
> One bit of feedback from me -- women may be a bit skeptical of a
> group of unfamiliar men asking them to do something because they
> want to meet women.
i appreciate what you're saying. just to be clear, though, i don't
care about this to meet women. i care about this because it would be
better for everyone involved in the ruby/rails community (both
collectively and individually) if there was a greater diversity of
minds making up said community. all this is true, of course, about
different races or sexual orientation or genders (this whole
discussion has been pretty gender-binary; gender is more of a
spectrum than a switch...). you know, what would our world look like
if there were boat loads of rubyists kids who hadn't even started
high school yet? i don't know, but i can't imagine that it would be a
bad thing.
> If you haven't already, you might want to start off by talking with
> your female friends/co-workers to see if there's interest on that end.
geoff and i talked about this offline a bit.
> geoff: the first thing to do is to consult with the women
> themselves before taking any action. They already have plans and
> understand what's going on and how to enable women in the computer
> industry.
sure, sure. makes sense. i had that in mind, but didn't explain it
fully. basically, i think that we should try to find seattle women
rubyists to see if they'd be up for teach a class. failing that, find
seattle women programmers looking to make the switch to ruby and give
them special attention, so that they could teach the class. failing
both of those, we teach women ruby/rails then after a few sessions
hopefully we'll find some women to take it over.
i certainly agree that having women on the other side, the teaching
side, would really make it work better. but i was talking to emily
(my gf) about this and she said that even if it was men teaching it,
it would be ok --if it was the right men. she's met evan. she said
she wouldn't be intimidated by him at all. i think the same is true
of you. and ryan when he's in his 'help out the newb' mode, he's
really good. aaron would be good too. i think some of the others that
come on tuesday are either not very good at welcoming new people,
especially women or are just socially awkward / inept and are bad
with people in general.
and yet again i'll cite Propagandhi who often say it better than i
could:
"and yes, i recognize the irony that the very system i oppose affords
me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. but that's exactly why
privileged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and
scream- until everyone has everything they need."
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